why fax still seperate

I was thinking it will at last dump the decade old Windows Fax and go for integration in Windows Mail...
BTW, I can still see some Windows 95 designs there...

Windows Mail is for e-mails and and Microsoft Fax is for facsimile, two different purposes. Both programs share the Contacts folder though so there is some level integration. Yeah, I hope they update the tool bar icons to reflect a consistent look and feel. Its still early and I would consider UI changes to be Fit and Finish, which should start to happen around BETA 2. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
<Nicholas> wrote in message

I was thinking it will at last dump the decade old Windows Fax and go for integration in Windows Mail...
BTW, I can still see some Windows 95 designs there...

Yeah, maybe it's just I'm too used to how Office Outlook works by integrating everything.
I'll look forward to the UI improvements : )
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Windows Mail is for e-mails and and Microsoft Fax is for facsimile, two different purposes. Both programs share the Contacts folder though so there is some level integration. Yeah, I hope they update the tool bar icons to reflect a consistent look and feel. Its still early and I would consider UI changes to be Fit and Finish, which should start to happen around BETA 2. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
Nicholas> wrote in message I was thinking it will at last dump the decade old Windows Fax and go for integration in Windows Mail...
BTW, I can still see some Windows 95 designs there...

You know, regardless its even integrated into Office Outlook, I still end up using the the built in fax in XP, with Vista, Microsoft has made it even easier for me. -- -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm <Nicholas> wrote in message

Yeah, maybe it's just I'm too used to how Office Outlook works by integrating everything.
I'll look forward to the UI improvements : )
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows Mail is for e-mails and and Microsoft Fax is for facsimile, two different purposes. Both programs share the Contacts folder though so there is some level integration. Yeah, I hope they update the tool bar icons to reflect a consistent look and feel. Its still early and I would consider UI changes to be Fit and Finish, which should start to happen around BETA 2. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
Nicholas> wrote in message I was thinking it will at last dump the decade old Windows Fax and go for integration in Windows Mail...
BTW, I can still see some Windows 95 designs there...

It's funny how the "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" is used mainly for pictures, but actually rarely used for viewing faxes as well... is it just me who's noticed that?
Is it actually a fax viewer, or just a very-generic picture viewer? :op
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Same here ZAP, it should just be renamed to Windows Picture Viewer. :) -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

It's funny how the "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" is used mainly for pictures, but actually rarely used for viewing faxes as well... is it just me who's noticed that?
Is it actually a fax viewer, or just a very-generic picture viewer? :op
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Why do you keep calling me by anything other than my actual name?
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And actually I believe it's called "Gallery Viewer" now in 5270.
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hehe :) -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

Why do you keep calling me by anything other than my actual name?
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Correct, but on the Right click context menu when you select a picture and choose Open With, it says Windows Picture and Fax Viewer.
Bugged it. :) -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

And actually I believe it's called "Gallery Viewer" now in 5270.
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Yoink, I had that one last week ;o)
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And from now on, I'll call you... Adrntrttlobnwbrpirbnrwwr2pribnrbrepwqenvrgb :o)
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There are unique features in Windows Picture and Fax Viewer for viewing faxes, like annotations.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Same here ZAP, it should just be renamed to Windows Picture Viewer. :) -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message It's funny how the "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" is used mainly for pictures, but actually rarely used for viewing faxes as well... is it just me who's noticed that?
Is it actually a fax viewer, or just a very-generic picture viewer? :op
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Zack, I believe a fax (facsimile) is actually a "picture" of a document, so it would stand to reason the fax can be viewed as a picture. :-}
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"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

It's funny how the "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" is used mainly for pictures, but actually rarely used for viewing faxes as well... is it just me who's noticed that?
Is it actually a fax viewer, or just a very-generic picture viewer? :op
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Ahhh... all clicking into place :op
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Clickety clack, clickety clack, clickety clack... :-}
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"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

Ahhh... all clicking into place :op
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Sounds good. :) -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

And from now on, I'll call you... Adrntrttlobnwbrpirbnrwwr2pribnrbrepwqenvrgb :o)
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*clunk* :o)
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<Nicholas> wrote in message

I was thinking it will at last dump the decade old Windows Fax and go for integration in Windows Mail...
BTW, I can still see some Windows 95 designs there...

Fax being separate started with the birth of Outlook Express, and the death of Windows Messaging (which was previously the Microsoft Exchange client in Windows 9x, and included Fax support). The Fax support *should* install as a printer driver, and you send faxes like you would print documents; I actually preferred to create single-page faxes using either Word or Publisher, and *print* them via the Fax driver when I still had a fax/modem. The Windows 9x bits are largely because e-mail has made the Fax component rather moribund (along with the ubiquity of Outlook and Windows Mail/Outlook Express).

Christopher L. Estep